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hello and welcome to episode number 39

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of the point of convergence podcast

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as always i i'm your host exo academian

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if one thing is clear as we look back

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over the course of 38 episodes of the

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point of convergence podcast

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it's that the so-called ufo phenomenon

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is as complex and multifaceted

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as it is equal parts bewildering and

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fascinating

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as i've mentioned numerous times before

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while there is a temptation to reduce

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this complexity by making all of the

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anomalous phenomena observed and

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experienced about a single intelligence

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parading in a variety of different ways

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i just don't think this notion fits the

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data well when we look at it honestly

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and completely

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rather to me when one considers the

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breadth and depth of the data gathered

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over the last century and perhaps going

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back into the depth of human lore

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it seems apparent that numerous

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non-human intelligences are appearing

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and interacting with us

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and truth be told the ways these various

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intelligences manifest before our eyes

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interact manipulate and sometimes

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control us

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is just as varied as the plethora of

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supposed alien species described within

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the literature of the ufo phenomenon

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some of these entities appear like what

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we might call solid biological beings

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with one assumes beating hearts and

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liquid blood of one color or another

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pulsing through their veins

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other intelligences seem to be better

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described as either post-biological or

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simply non-biological

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and seem most often to manifest in forms

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made purely of light

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when one considers the fullness of the

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data gathered it is also clear that some

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entities seem from a moral point of view

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perhaps no more sophisticated than us

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and demonstrate if not malevolent than

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at least self-serving behaviors

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and as we discussed last week

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sometimes the actions of some of these

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others are best described as

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representing a kind of symbiotic

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relationship with human beings

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where both sides of the equation us and

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gain something from the encounters

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then there are beings like those

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encountered in the case we're going to

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discuss today the case of israeli

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experiencer yossi ronan who seemed to

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demonstrate not just a moral superiority

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when compared to us

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but also what one might describe as a

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moral innocence as if their evolution

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didn't progress from self-serving to

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so much so as the nature of their

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experience of reality always revealed to

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them from the beginning the

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interconnectedness of all that is

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so that from their point of view harming

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another would be no different than

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yossi ronan's encounters with these

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beings was as life-altering as it was

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short and to the point

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while the time spent in their presence

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was but a blink of the eye in comparison

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the impact for ronan was as

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incontrovertible as it was irreversible

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never again would he be able to see

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reality the same way following his

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for he learned not just about a kind of

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intelligence beyond human

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but a fundamental truth about the nature

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of reality itself

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revealing a non-dual interconnected

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totality best described in the term

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yossi ronan's life-changing encounters

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with interdimensional aliens and the

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revelations regarding the nature of

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ultimate reality that emerged as a

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i'd like to begin this week's episode by

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describing usc ronan's process when it

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came to putting together his book that

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describes his encounters and the way

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they changed his life

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his book is titled one face-to-face

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contact experiencing et consciousness

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and human consciousness evolution

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an excellent book i highly recommend it

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now in this first section the

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introduction he talks about just how

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difficult it was to process all of these

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events and then put pen to paper so as

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to describe them to other people

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this is what he writes quote

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the first part of this book covers my

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testimony concerning my face-to-face

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encounter and direct communication with

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several extraterrestrials

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intelligent beings whom i refer to as

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this encounter occurred in 1981 when i

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lived in l.a for about one year

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the very appearance of these beings that

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stood before me was a complete

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contradiction to anything i had ever

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known about everyday reality as i

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recognize it

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following this encounter at the young

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age of 21 years old the course of my

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entire life has changed and since that

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day the meaning of this experience has

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become an integral part of my life

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after many testimonials we have heard

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from other experiencers who have also

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we know now that the visitors

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communication with us goes straight into

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our consciousness

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in my case the communication had another

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aspect to it the context showed itself

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to me in two different states of my

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consciousness

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one as part of an out of body experience

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and the other when i was awake and fully

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conscious in front of them face to face

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to this day i cannot clearly say whether

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the visitors plan to communicate with me

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in both ways or if it was unexpected in

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any case meeting and interacting with

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the visitors in both states allowed me

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to understand more about the

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consciousness aspects in which this very

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different but not separate ways of

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communication occurs between us

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touch on what he just described there

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this is very interesting very compelling

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cases and yet it makes sense that it

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could happen

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what we have in yossi ronan's case is

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the visitors as he calls them

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revealing themselves to him both in a

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dreamlike out of body experience as well

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what was incredibly startling and

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discombobulating to him was that he had

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a dream which he thought was interesting

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these same beings who he had just

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touch a bit more on how difficult it was

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for him to write this book to put pen to

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paper and make sense of these encounters

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quote composing this book has taken many

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then to comprehend the complexity of the

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experience i had to translate the

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non-verbal communication into spoken

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language and rational terms and phrases

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and at last the repeated

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self-examination i did for my

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understanding and interpretation

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the visitors have a different perception

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of reality compared to our own

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i had to attempt and grasp their mode of

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sharing the visitors consciousness

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during my contact with them allowed me

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briefly to experience the way they see

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us and their understanding of us

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in this book i summarize my perspective

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of my encounter and its implications

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hopefully this writing will assist us

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all in our joint endeavor to better

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understand this new reality we are

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currently facing having realized that we

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actual encounter itself that completely

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he wrote about there and that is the

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challenging process of trying to

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translate something like telepathic

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communication into written language that

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the challenge is that for people who

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mind from the mind of another

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multi-dimensional kind of experiencing

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of the other's presence

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their thoughts the full totality of who

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so again you can imagine the challenge

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and how much you'd have to truncate the

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experience reduce it into something much

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more limited when you take that profound

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multi-dimensional kind of experience and

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his initial encounter and how

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mind-blowing it truly was

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just to remind you this begins in a

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dreamlike experience and later becomes

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much more than that

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it happened on the evening of a sunny

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my brother was sleeping in his room and

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after a few moments i shut my eyes and

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for the first time in my life found

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myself within a dream that was taking

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place outside my body in that very room

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in my dream i knew i was outside my body

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which was sleeping in bed i didn't have

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an actual body but it was perhaps

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something akin to a child's small body

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transparent without any

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hovering over it then sitting at the

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nearby table looking around

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the sensation of the distance from my

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body felt pleasant liberating free and

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it was a good feeling

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i was seeing sensing smelling and

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hearing everything that was going on

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around me without the familiar

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boundaries of my body

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my brother was sound asleep in the next

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room

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on the other side of the wall breathing

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calmly

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and then

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i saw them they were in a room as well

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they were not quite human little

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entities between the armchair and the

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couch by the tv

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one of them was standing by my sleeping

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body watching it

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amused i looked at them watched them

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wobble along in a funny clumsy way

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across the room from one spot to another

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they were looking around the apartment

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with such curiosity and wonder

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one of them picked up a piece of paper

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very carefully as though seeing it for

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the first time

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he touched it and felt it clasped his

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fingers around it listening for the

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sound of the crumpling paper smelled it

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they looked similar to human children in

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a new playground

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i felt i knew them like they were

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childhood friends of mine they were a

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little under four feet three inches tall

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their heads were slightly bigger than

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ours i do not recall how many fingers

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they had i think i saw five in each hand

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longer than our own gentle and supple

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one of the guests was chubby his belly

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protruding over his scrawny legs his

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walk was also clumsier than that of the

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others

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another was so skinny i could see the

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outline of his bones right under his

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skin

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i was watching them calmly and

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blissfully we were all rejoicing

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together one of them was moving back and

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forth across the mat wobbling like a

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duck marveling and laughing like a child

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so let me reflect on what i just read

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clearly ronan is having a dreamlike

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experience but it is not your typical

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dream

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he's having what is called an out of

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body experience he's able to look down

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at his bed and see his normal human body

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lying there fast asleep

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while also experiencing being in a more

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subtle form of a body outside of that

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body

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and while he's in this state feeling

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playful and blissful as he describes he

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sees these other entities who are

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in a state that he can see when he's in

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this out of body state

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and they are looking around the

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apartment behaving almost like children

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fascinated with this new playground of

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now i touched on it just a moment ago in

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what i read

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and in this next section you'll see it

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mentioned again

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this sense of familiarity with these

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beings even though right now he thinks

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he's seeing them for the first time

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we later find that time also has a very

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peculiar way of manifesting when he's in

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these altered states it's very complex

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very fascinating and we'll get to that

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but first let's now turn to the point

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where he

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wakes up and finds something quite

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startling

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quoting from the book again quote

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upon awakening i was still smiling

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recalling the weird dream

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i wondered about this unfamiliar expanse

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my imagination had brought forth

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complete was such a palpable dream which

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was so strange and wild

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suddenly i heard these strange sounds

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coming from inside the room i was in

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like bare feet making rapid steps across

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the carpet

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i rubbed my eyes still in bed facing the

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wall

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there was a rustle of things being moved

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about crumpling paper strange whispers

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my smile was gone my heart pounding

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did thieves break into our house are

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they trying to keep quiet so i don't

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wake up i remembered i had locked the

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door from the inside impossible no one

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could possibly have gotten in

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turning around to face the room i felt

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an electric shock hit me hard and i

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began to tremble helplessly

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right across from me less than two feet

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away stood one of the visitors from the

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dream i just had he was staring right at

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me

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four or five others were standing right

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behind him

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his huge eyes looked deep into me they

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were black and shiny like pupils that

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had grown to a huge size

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i felt small as if he was observing me

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under a microscope

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then i felt a terrible fear it was

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strong and unfamiliar curling up i

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gasped my breath stopped i tried to

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digest the fact that i was looking at

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the same visitors that i had just seen

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in my dream

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what was i seeing is this still the

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dream or did i wake up

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i shook my head pinched my hand and the

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pain made me realize i was awake

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am i out of my mind what's going on

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what's happening to me

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the visitor's gaze went right through me

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with such force such an immense

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paralyzing effect

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fear was rapidly surging within me my

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muscles contracted so hard i couldn't

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move

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something strange and out of this world

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scary is invading my insides now

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it felt so frightening to be under

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someone else's control

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another person who dominated me who

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could have me act however he pleased i

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felt this danger as if i had only a few

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more moments before i would be taken up

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by something so much bigger than me it

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was like he was about to swallow me

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they are not of this world that much was

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obvious to me their curious bodies had

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these bright green and orange rust

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colored patches their skin had grooves

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and yet it was gentle and soft hairless

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in relation to their small bodies their

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heads were big and their eyes were black

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elliptical with no eyelids

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they were so big that they took up most

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of their face

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they had two tiny slits for a nose a

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very narrow groove for a mouth

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no lips and a small chin

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the sight of them before my very eyes

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was so shocking it felt like my own end

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my guest wasn't speaking to me but

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something inside me knew he was seeing

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and experiencing everything i was

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feeling and thinking like i was an open

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book to him

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in my paralysis i saw my own fear and

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helplessness reflected through his black

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now before we continue with this

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mind-boggling experience that ronin is

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having

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let's first reflect on the fact that on

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the one hand when we have these kind of

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experiences in a dream-like state

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where perhaps our normal alarm system

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you might call it is offline we don't

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respond in a startled way we don't

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experience fear so much

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and yet in our waking state where we

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have a certain understanding of the way

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reality is supposed to unfold

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when we have a similar kind of

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experience or in ronan's case the very

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same experience where the same beings he

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was just encountering in an out of body

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but dream like state suddenly manifest

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in

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gripped with fear

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better said terror that's what his

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response is again we've talked about

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this before this is kind of the

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evolutionary response the

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fight-or-flight response that human

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beings put forth when we encounter

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something so

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unknown

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and now let's continue with that section

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from the book where he is not only

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experiencing these others in a waking

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state but processing how different the

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experience is once he is in that waking

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state

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quoting from the book again quote

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i recall the pleasant dream i just woke

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up from

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it's them they were really there so what

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was happening

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it wasn't really a dream a short while

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ago i knew them and it was all fine

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without this fear

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for one brief moment i was able to stop

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this trembling all over this terrible

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fear for my life with my very last ounce

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of strength in my desperation and

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perhaps because i had no other choice i

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tried to look beyond my fear to regard

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them as something else other than what i

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saw

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in some hopeful attitude unrelated to my

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own body

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still petrified and anxious i was

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looking into his eyes searching for that

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love i remembered from the dream

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the pain from the sound of the drilling

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that i kept hearing as though it was

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forcing its way right through me all

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this time began slowing down

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as it adjusted its pace it began to

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sound different clearer more

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intelligible

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are these their thoughts their emotions

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the noise slowly diminished and i began

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noticing more sensations

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more thoughts

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is this their communication that i'm

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hearing is this what i am sensing

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and it was at this precise moment that i

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began experiencing them with my own

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consciousness

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all at once the full awareness of one of

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the beings before me flowed into me and

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through him via him

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that of all the others too

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the sight of their faces did not change

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but everything the guests were thinking

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or sensing passed on to me too

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and was now inside me expanding as if it

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were my own consciousness

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their thoughts did not consist of

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definite words rather this was a wide

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expanse a multifaceted flow of

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consciousness that had the feeling of an

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enormously huge event

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they were experiencing a simple piece i

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was not familiar with it had no sense of

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superiority as one would expect given

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their formidable power

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the guest's consciousness was like an

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open book to me i felt them completely

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pleasant still lucid and clear

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their thoughts and emotions seemed

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harmonious unified unseparated

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i encountered their love and acceptance

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towards me as well and not thanks to

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anything about me

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likewise they simply accepted themselves

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and each other unconditionally endlessly

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they were transparent up front and

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self-conscious as well as toward one

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another without any need to hide

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play-act repress or be anything else

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other than what they were precisely at

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that moment

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i felt they loved themselves and

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accepted themselves at face value

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without any judgment good or bad and

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that was the same way they treated

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whatever was around them their own kind

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any human beings or anything else

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whatsoever unquote

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now before we move on to the part of the

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book where ronan then has to ground this

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experience in his everyday life and make

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sense of what this means in terms of how

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he understands reality differently

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00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,840
let's first again reflect on what we

570
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,360
just read

571
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,200
once again we had the

572
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,919
element of the telepathy being much more

573
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,720
than just a piece-by-piece sharing of

574
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,520
information like linear thought

575
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,400
he experiences them in their totality

576
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,200
and at first he feels immensely naked

577
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:49,280
and vulnerable in front of them because

578
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,720
he recognizes he is also an open book to

579
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,799
them but

580
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,039
as time goes on he begins to recognize

581
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,520
this is just the nature of existence for

582
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,919
them this is the normal mode of

583
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,600
existence

584
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,840
and he realizes they have a very

585
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,720
childlike innocent way of experiencing

586
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:11,520
themselves and other beings including

587
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,870
as i mentioned in the introduction this

588
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,440
experience for ronan was about much more

589
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,440
than just realizing

590
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:26,400
non-human intelligences existed and

591
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,520
could actually interact with us

592
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,760
his experience with these others

593
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,240
actually was much more profound and

594
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,720
life-altering than that his entire

595
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,120
perspective changed because he began to

596
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:42,000
recognize once he'd been in that mode of

597
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,960
thought

598
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,440
that everything was connected in the

599
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,400
cosmos not just one conscious entity to

600
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,039
another but even various aspects of

601
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,640
nature as well

602
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,159
and now i'd like to read from a section

603
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,559
of the book where he talks about how

604
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,799
different his understanding of reality

605
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:01,679
was now even in the everyday world

606
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,480
walking around in nature

607
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:07,760
quoting from the book again quote

608
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,080
in my regular state every object around

609
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,320
me seems separate from the other the

610
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:15,039
tree is distinct apart from the ground

611
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,880
and likewise air sun and so on but now

612
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,799
as some resonance to the experience of

613
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,600
sharing all my different senses jointly

614
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:25,520
i was seeing the same connection that

615
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,400
had always been there all around

616
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,720
now the trees are a clear continuation

617
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,600
of the ground below and of the sun and

618
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,960
the air above

619
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,120
without any intermission or pause

620
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:40,000
between any of them like one continuous

621
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,039
body

622
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,120
the trees were nourished by the earth

623
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:45,360
the food and the water that nourished it

624
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,360
flowed through the trees as well

625
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,360
so they were in fact a direct

626
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,520
continuation of the ground

627
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,600
sunlight descended and permeated the

628
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,000
leaves merged with the water and became

629
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,799
part of the plant the tree was also the

630
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,120
condensation of the sunlight

631
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,799
light flowed through the leaves

632
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:04,960
downwards descending right into the

633
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,279
heart of the earth along with the roots

634
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840
and making it fertile

635
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,919
one complete cycle of life traveled from

636
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,159
the ground below to the sun above and

637
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,760
back down again

638
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,919
sunlight met the earth and the water in

639
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:20,240
each leaf where they connected as though

640
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,240
making love with one another

641
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,960
fire and water converged into one giving

642
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,799
life in the process

643
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,799
i looked at the tree leaves right in

644
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,919
front of me

645
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,919
then i went deeper into the feeling of

646
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:33,840
sensation of the leaves at the top of

647
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,320
the tree which faced upwards to the blue

648
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,279
sky and for the first time ever noticed

649
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:41,760
something else the tree was conscious

650
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,640
and in a deep continuing state of

651
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,120
thankfulness for its existence and for

652
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,440
the light he was receiving

653
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,440
unquote now in a moment we're going to

654
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,080
discuss what happens when ronan tries to

655
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,720
share this experience with others

656
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,559
as you might expect it leaves something

657
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,400
to be desired

658
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,480
but first i want to touch on something

659
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,559
jacques valet and other researchers have

660
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,559
talked about and that is the psychic

661
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,200
component or the way that human beings

662
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,640
are profoundly changed transformed by

663
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,279
experiences with the ufo phenomenon

664
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,360
again when we use that term the ufo

665
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,840
phenomenon i believe it actually

666
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,480
encompasses multiple entities different

667
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,640
species and whatnot

668
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,559
but here we're clearly seeing a human

669
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,799
being being profoundly changed

670
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:31,279
transformed by an experience with these

671
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,320
others

672
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:34,799
and like valet noted as well as groups

673
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,400
like free with a book beyond ufos

674
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,960
people are often transformed in positive

675
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,760
ways for the long term it's not like

676
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,600
they just have a temporary change of

677
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:48,000
perspective like someone who's been on a

678
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,760
acid trip or something

679
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,720
no they are changed profoundly for the

680
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,919
long run

681
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,600
for as long as we've actually been able

682
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,159
to study them and ask ongoing questions

683
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,240
about the way they see reality this

684
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,400
continues that once and for all their

685
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,799
perspective is changed and this is one

686
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,520
of the most profound and telling aspects

687
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,840
of the ufo phenomenon

688
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,600
now of course when someone goes through

689
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,919
something as life-changing as this

690
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,039
experience

691
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:16,640
of course they want to be able to share

692
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,279
it

693
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,760
no human being can very easily ground an

694
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,159
experience make sense of it

695
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,600
if they don't have the chance the

696
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,520
opportunity to share it with others

697
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,760
especially people close to them

698
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,320
of course as we know often this doesn't

699
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,679
go so well

700
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,720
because

701
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,640
others don't want to have their notion

702
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,279
of reality challenged and that's exactly

703
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:39,279
of course what this kind of experience

704
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,240
does

705
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,880
how else can you make sense of it

706
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,360
well not unlike others ronan gets to the

707
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,880
point where he wants to share his

708
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
experience with his mother

709
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:50,799
this is what happens

710
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,600
quoting from the book again quote

711
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,760
no longer could i escape the notion that

712
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,080
i had to share my experience it was

713
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,399
necessary to talk about it the first

714
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,960
person i told about it was my mother the

715
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,279
person i knew loved me and accepted me

716
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,039
more than anyone else

717
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,279
when i told her about the encounter i

718
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,679
saw the anguish and pity in her loving

719
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:12,720
eyes

720
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:14,840
as much as she tried to listen without

721
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,200
responding i could tell by how she

722
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,679
tilted her head that she wanted to hide

723
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
her tears

724
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,120
i waited for her to tell me on her own

725
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:25,679
volition what she felt about it

726
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,679
the next day she seemed anxious and

727
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,159
upset when i asked her about how she

728
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,559
felt about what i had told her she said

729
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,480
she was concerned about me and feared

730
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:36,240
that i was doing drugs while i was in

731
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,440
the states

732
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,559
and that they must have clouded my mind

733
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,559
this is but one of many reactions i

734
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,399
began getting from those i shared my

735
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,840
encounter with

736
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,840
only a few immediately realized what i

737
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,480
was talking about and their eyes lit up

738
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,640
unquote

739
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,559
now one of the reasons i find this book

740
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,559
so compelling you'll see ronan's book

741
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:58,240
one and again i highly recommend you

742
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,200
read it

743
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,200
is that he touches on the so-called

744
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:03,919
contact modalities i don't think he uses

745
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,640
that term but he touches on the notion

746
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,679
by comparing experiences like a meeting

747
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,600
with the visitors or the others whatever

748
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,200
you want to call them

749
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,600
apparent non-human intelligences or

750
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,799
aliens

751
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,039
as well as experiences like out-of-body

752
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,000
experiences or near-death experiences

753
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,600
and we've talked about this numerous

754
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,720
times on this podcast this is the points

755
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,960
of convergence i've been talking about

756
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:30,159
all along

757
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,080
and he really does address this in the

758
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,000
book and he comes to some of the same

759
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,480
conclusions recognizing that all of

760
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,240
these experiences are pointing to

761
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:40,960
something fundamental about reality

762
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,559
where perhaps consciousness is primary

763
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,440
and things like matter and energy are

764
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,799
derivatives

765
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,559
and i want to now quote from a section

766
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,240
of the book where he makes some very

767
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,440
interesting

768
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,480
leaps in understanding by applying the

769
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,559
revelations of quantum physics and how

770
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,039
that might apply in a situation like an

771
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,120
experience with the others or a

772
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,799
near-death experience

773
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,440
quoting from the book quote

774
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,679
niels bohr is quoted as saying

775
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,240
everything in reality we call real is

776
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,279
made of things we can't say are real

777
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:17,520
it is difficult for us to digest this

778
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,640
sentence because it does not make sense

779
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,799
but perhaps the way to understand it is

780
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,640
to accept that there is a layer in our

781
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,679
reality that is not real nor made for

782
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:29,919
our ordinary perception

783
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:32,720
my hypothesis is that quantum reality is

784
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,600
in fact a glimpse of another dimension

785
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,360
possibly the ability of today's

786
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,080
scientific world to prove the existence

787
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,320
of that quantum world is only the

788
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,880
discovery of the tip of the iceberg of

789
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,000
the vast space in that dimension

790
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,080
the new revelations showing that these

791
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,159
particles respond to the observer's

792
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,399
consciousness give us a hint that there

793
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,000
is a connection between our

794
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,399
consciousness and that dimension of

795
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:00,640
subatomic particles

796
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,000
so in a way it is the same dimension we

797
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,840
can see the connection between the two

798
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,080
different modes of these particles a

799
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,640
wave or a particle and the experience of

800
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,519
our consciousness in its two basic modes

801
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,679
the normal state and its different

802
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,320
awareness in clinical death when

803
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,559
consciousness is not limited to the body

804
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,120
and its senses it experiences the same

805
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:25,840
layer another dimension that does not

806
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,799
seem real to our everyday knowledge

807
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,880
during the clinical death experience and

808
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,440
on the other side of the tunnel the time

809
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,919
and space experience of our cognition

810
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,640
are different they are boundless and not

811
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,519
defined a situation similar to

812
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,200
superposition

813
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,279
after awakening from the experience the

814
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,519
perception of reality returns to its

815
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,919
usual place and we are forced to

816
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,240
translate and materialize the memory of

817
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,840
the experience

818
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:57,200
this defines and limits it to a form to

819
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,919
a particular thing in time and place

820
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,080
this perception is similar to the

821
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,039
situation of position

822
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,519
after the measurement by our ordinary

823
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,760
consciousness the experience of all

824
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,000
possibilities beyond the tunnel is

825
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
forced to collapse into our familiar

826
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,880
definite option

827
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,399
unquote

828
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,480
now again as i mentioned in the

829
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,760
introduction

830
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,720
it took ronin many years to ground this

831
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,279
experience to make sense of it and then

832
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,240
to begin to describe it share it in a

833
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,679
way that others could make sense of

834
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,760
in conclusion this is what he says about

835
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:38,399
his experience and many experiences of

836
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,840
this kind that people

837
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,440
have and again in drawing these

838
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:45,760
conclusions ronan talks about both

839
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,399
experiences with the others as well as

840
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:50,960
experiences like near-death experiences

841
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,240
because he sees a lot of common ground

842
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,720
quoting from the book again quote

843
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,039
it is hard for us to logically accept

844
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,360
such a different reality to grasp a

845
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,760
reality where our familiar definitions

846
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,320
and boundaries do not exist

847
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,799
however the very fact that at least some

848
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,279
of us remember the experience on the

849
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:13,600
other side of the tunnel indicates that

850
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,000
we have the ability to experience and

851
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,559
tap into that dimension just because

852
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,960
each of us remembers and translates an

853
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,760
indefinite entity in a particular and

854
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:26,480
different way from one another does not

855
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:29,360
negate the very essence of that being as

856
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,880
he saw it

857
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,279
this is something we can understand only

858
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,039
by experiencing it

859
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,279
in the space beyond the other side of

860
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:39,919
the tunnel all the various possibilities

861
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,279
exist together as one

862
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:45,840
people who have encounters with visitors

863
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,320
encounter the same phenomenon as the

864
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,919
tunnel experience

865
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,799
in this instance too the et's appearance

866
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,399
as part of the meeting with a human

867
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,279
being cannot escape being translated by

868
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,080
the person who meets them into the form

869
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,640
his or her mind assigns

870
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:04,880
this is the way the mind grasps

871
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,639
processes and stores the information

872
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,800
unquote

873
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,960
now there is a lot to chew on in that

874
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:14,159
quote

875
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,000
number one he's touching on the quantum

876
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:18,720
physics aspect suggesting that like

877
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,119
superposition versus position with

878
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,800
quantum mechanics

879
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,399
that in that altered state of

880
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,560
consciousness that alternate realm that

881
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,560
people experience both when they're

882
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,720
encountering the others some of them

883
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,440
anyway as well as in experiences like

884
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,760
near-death experiences or out-of-body

885
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,040
experiences

886
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,839
you have a much more multi-faceted

887
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:42,560
experience and therefore whether you're

888
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,159
yosi ronin encountering alien beings

889
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,320
or you're one of his relatives who's had

890
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,079
a near-death experience

891
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,639
or you're someone like eben alexander a

892
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,200
brain surgeon who has talked and written

893
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,200
extensively about the nature of

894
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:59,119
near-death experiences of which he had

895
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:00,320
one

896
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,320
waking existence that we call reality

897
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:09,280
you inevitably lose aspects of that

898
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,960
beyondness

899
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,520
elements are lost in translation by

900
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,720
default

901
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,040
not only because we now have to

902
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,960
translate it into a kind of a linear

903
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,440
experience of reality where time is

904
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,079
fixed and only moves in one direction

905
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,960
but we also have to use language words

906
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:29,520
that are also built around that same

907
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,400
limited

908
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,800
linear understanding of how reality

909
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,760
works

910
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,160
and of course that helps explain why

911
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,560
people who have had these experiences

912
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,200
wrestle and are frustrated with the

913
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:44,640
inability to really articulate the depth

914
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,320
and breadth of the experience

915
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,320
now again this is a great book i highly

916
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,160
recommend you read it i think this is

917
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,920
one of the most compelling cases we've

918
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,440
come across

919
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:57,920
what's interesting is yossi ronan had

920
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,480
encounters with beings he saw as

921
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,040
extremely loving unconditionally loving

922
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,000
and unconditionally available

923
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,880
and yet he sees his experience as being

924
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,720
akin to something like what whitley

925
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,200
strieber went through in fact he had an

926
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
experience when he was in tel aviv of

927
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,240
seeing the front cover of communion

928
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,520
and in fact recognizing that creature

929
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,839
like thousands of people all around the

930
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,240
world they saw that cover and

931
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:28,800
immediately recognized that as being

932
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,599
part of their own experience

933
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,160
now some may be initially surprised by

934
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,560
that comparison surprised that someone

935
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,240
like yossi ronin

936
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,160
recognized that creature on the front

937
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:42,880
cover of communion and saw it as the

938
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,920
same being basically as he encountered

939
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,640
now first point as ronan points out in

940
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,760
the book

941
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,400
how we perceive these others is partly

942
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,119
determined by us probably partly a

943
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:56,560
cultural filter and there's some

944
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,400
evidence of that even in cross-cultural

945
00:37:02,790 --> 00:36:59,440
studies

946
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,800
and also our own personal background

947
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:04,960
furthermore as we've discussed multiple

948
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,599
times on this podcast what we bring to

949
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,000
the table what we prime these events

950
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,680
with whether consciously or

951
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,839
unconsciously it's not necessarily our

952
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,520
fault if we prime it with negative

953
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,960
things

954
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,280
because much of that may be coming from

955
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,240
the territory of our subconscious much

956
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,560
of which perhaps most of which we're not

957
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,599
even aware of

958
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,119
the last thing i'd like to leave you

959
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:31,920
with is the realization that for people

960
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,560
like yossi ronan or even for someone

961
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,040
like whitley strieber who initially had

962
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,599
encounters that were full of terror

963
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:42,480
both of these figures went on to see

964
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,880
the experiences with these others as a

965
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,920
net positive that produced powerful

966
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,960
transformative long lasting effects in

967
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,240
their lives

968
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,480
that just because fear is part of the

969
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:57,359
encounters especially initially this

970
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,560
does not mean these can ultimately be

971
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:02,640
powerfully positive

972
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,430
and on that note we've come to the close

973
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,359
of another edition of the point of

974
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,200
convergence podcast

975
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:14,960
as i like to say let's keep this

976
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,640
conversation going and growing but until

977
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,720
next time friends from deep within the

978
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:23,200
blue ridge mountains of north carolina

979
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:27,070
this is exo academian signing out